Posts by Sea Breeze

Why would you elevate the thinking of a child over what the bible says? I'm not suggesting you must believe the bible, but at least find out what it says before you abandon it. Then, you can make an informed decision.

The reason XJW's have a hard time with the tri-nature of Jesus is because they never accepted what the bible said about the tri-nature of man. We only thought we believed the bible as JW's, when in reality we were trained to introduce different meanings and definitions to certain biblical terms. In a sense, we were taught a different language that made us unable to reason and communicate biblically.

Let's take the word "death" for example. In the 18th century the rise of materialism philosophy redefined this word to mean non-existence or annihilation. Simultaneous with this NEW definition, Russell started preaching the same thing.

But if you look into the dictionary at the time you can get an accurate definition of the word death which includes the following:

9. In theology, perpetual separation from God, and eternal torments; called the second death Revelation 2:10.

10. Separation or alienation of the soul from God; a being under the dominion of sin, and destitute of grace or divine life; called spiritual death

When we leave the WT, we take a lot of unbiblical philosophy with us that gets camouflaged by the larger society around us that also largely has materialism as its world-view of existence.

The bible writers assume that readers know that we are a tri-partite being constructed with a soul, body & spirit. Man is not whole unless all three of these are joined together in one being. Usually, when these parts become separated, with the demise of the body, a death occurs.

This is clear in the case of Rachel:

"And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin. And Rachel died, and was buried in the way to Ephrath, which is Bethlehem". - Gen. 35

We have the same problem with the word "Resurrection". What the WT says it means is not what it means. Resurrection ALWAYS is the reversal of death - a re-constitution of the three elements of man, soul, spirit & body... a rejoining of the three.

There is no such thing as being resurrected to spirit life in heaven as the WT teaches. Souls have been going to heaven, not resurrected persons.

Now, with these biblical definitions we can ask who raised Jesus from the dead? Didn't he say that he would?

“No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. - John 10: 18

In reality, the Bible indicates that all three Persons of the Godhead were involved in Jesus’ resurrection. Galatians 1:1 says that the Father raised Jesus from the dead. First Peter 3:18 says that the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (see also Romans 1:4, and note that Romans 8:11 clearly says that God will resurrect believers “through His Spirit”). And in John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see also John 10:18). So, when we answer the question of who resurrected Jesus, we can say God did. And by that we can mean it was the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

These scriptures prove that Jesus was fully man and fully God, not just one or the other. When Jesus died, his spirit (God) separated from his lifeless body. He resurrected himself (by rejoining the three parts), just as he predicted he would. This event astonished much of the Jewish world and birthed "one new man" made up Jew and Gentile in the church age based on faith and not law.

Unless you're saying that God can be killed.

Yes, that is just exactly what the bible claims in Acts 20: 28

"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

The bible is claiming that Jehovah not only made you but loved you enough to bear the punishment due you, in himself. He became a man for this purpose, born to die. This is a very different God than the Jehovah portrayed in WT literature.

Again, you don't have to accept any of this. But this is Christianity, take it or leave it.

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Jehovah's Witnesses - Where is Your Money Going?

by Sea Breeze in

after discouraging and in many instances prohibiting jw's from getting an education, like in computer graphics, film-making and design, the wt is employing these kinds of professionals and throwing vast sums of money at their new film-making adventures doubtless from all the properties they confiscated, sold that the local members paid for.

kim and mikey talk about this primarily starting at 13:15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqafxmsjirk&ab_channel=kimmikey .

Sea Breeze

LHG,

I agree. Born-ins largely have a different experience though. Especially if the family is imultigenerational JW’s. Many who don’t really want to deal with a bunch of conflict, do the math and decide to just skip college (and the amount of effort that would take) and just keep the peace by getting a non-college skill job.

I went to college at age 30 and never got anything but apathy over it. I can’t ever remember one word of encouragement or approval. I was running a very unstable small business at the same time as well.

My parents always had that look on their face like they secretly believe you are mentally disabled, but just smile at you instead of confronting you about your “mental illness”.

They were bewildered why I was doing it. My dad was literally a ditch digger and complained his whole life about it. My mom cleaned houses for extra cash.

Nothing wrong with either of those things. But, JW’s really seem to glorify ignorance as if it some sort of goal to attain.

It is a very backwards existence.

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The position of Christ in the Godhead

by JW Answers in

what is your views on christ?.

do you hold to the view that christ and the father are the same person?

do you hold to the view that jesus is a lesser god than the father?.

Sea Breeze

"May your whole spirit, soul and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus" (I Thessalonians 5:23)

Do you believe you are a spirit, soul and body?

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Jehovah's Witnesses - Where is Your Money Going?

by Sea Breeze in

after discouraging and in many instances prohibiting jw's from getting an education, like in computer graphics, film-making and design, the wt is employing these kinds of professionals and throwing vast sums of money at their new film-making adventures doubtless from all the properties they confiscated, sold that the local members paid for.

kim and mikey talk about this primarily starting at 13:15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqafxmsjirk&ab_channel=kimmikey .

Sea Breeze

Wow, 249 acres of "facilities" needed to make videos? What a scam.

Town of Ramapo, New York

A facility for the creation and production of audio and video/film recordings in an integrated working, living, and worship facility for members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ religious and assisting religious volunteers. A new mixed-use MU-3 Zoning District is proposed to facilitate the development of this integrated facility.

The 249-acre site will host audio and video production studios and facilities to support operations of the nearby world headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses. On-site facilities include offices, maintenance and set production workshops, and a central energy plant. Accommodations for the resident staff include 645 residential units, dining/assembly spaces, recreation/wellness/fitness facilities, and a clinic.

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For contrast --- One Apostate can make thousands of videos in his mother in-laws' basement.

Gotta have those recreational facilities too huh Watchtower? Indoor basketball courts with those nasty little signs about how no one except "authorized personnel" can use them right? All the while thousands of JW kids are sitting at home bored to death because they can't play sports or afford their own multi-million dollar private facilities.

"They bind heavy burdens...grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers". - Jesus

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The position of Christ in the Godhead

by JW Answers in

what is your views on christ?.

do you hold to the view that christ and the father are the same person?

do you hold to the view that jesus is a lesser god than the father?.

Sea Breeze

enoughisenough - Trinity only means a tri-union. The bible says that you are a trinity. Do you believe that?

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The position of Christ in the Godhead

by JW Answers in

what is your views on christ?.

do you hold to the view that christ and the father are the same person?

do you hold to the view that jesus is a lesser god than the father?.

Sea Breeze

Colossians 2:9

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Acts 17:29

Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Romans 1:20

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

You will never understand the tripartite nature of the Godhead until you accept the tripartite nature of man described in scripture because Jesus was also fully man.

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The position of Christ in the Godhead

by JW Answers in

what is your views on christ?.

do you hold to the view that christ and the father are the same person?

do you hold to the view that jesus is a lesser god than the father?.

Sea Breeze

@Rolrod

That is heresy.

“The Son is of the Father alone, not made, nor created, but begotten” (The Athanasian Creed, verse 22).

According to the Bible, and to the ancient creeds of Christianity, the Son of God is eternal. There was never a time when He did not exist. God did not create Jesus.

John 1:1–3 says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

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The position of Christ in the Godhead

by JW Answers in

what is your views on christ?.

do you hold to the view that christ and the father are the same person?

do you hold to the view that jesus is a lesser god than the father?.

Sea Breeze

@SBF - Universities are full of people with PhD’s that try to discredit orthodox Christian beliefs. Dr. McGrath is just one of many. Surprise, surprise - he no longer believes the bible is inerrant, nor does he believe Jesus is coming back even though that is exactly what Jesus said he would do and what other scriptures clearly read.

“Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” - Acts 1: 11

McGrath is just another heretic. They had them in the first century, and we have them now.... nothing new under the sun.

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Jehovah's Witnesses - Where is Your Money Going?

by Sea Breeze in

after discouraging and in many instances prohibiting jw's from getting an education, like in computer graphics, film-making and design, the wt is employing these kinds of professionals and throwing vast sums of money at their new film-making adventures doubtless from all the properties they confiscated, sold that the local members paid for.

kim and mikey talk about this primarily starting at 13:15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqafxmsjirk&ab_channel=kimmikey .

Sea Breeze

I was surprised at the elaborate sets, costumes and props that are used. All that costs A LOT of money. Hand forging spear tips? C'mon...it's like they are bragging about how much they are spending.

It is all so confusing. In 2015 they were begging for money stating that they needed to build around 1600 new Kingdom Halls right NOW, Then, they began a big sell off of Kingdom Halls while dumping bucket loads of cash into huge film sets and production properties.

A the very least this makes them look like liars.